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PRAG is a songwriting / recording project, open to all Pineapstrians, regardless of experience or ability.

Typically, it has some sort of theme, method or random element that participants are expected to observe. There are no prizes or official "marks out of ten" .... participation is its own reward... you get an opportunity to flex your song-writing muscles, collaborate with others, learn how to overcome recording limitations or simply embrace chance (as an artistic tool).

This thread is to post your thoughts, ideas, musings and suggestions for future PRAGs.

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Suggestions so far:

A. From J Wo: Collaboration - one person writes music / another adds lyrics / vox.

B. From DrumAliens: Borrow a sample / riff / chord progression / line from the song that was No.1 when you were born and use it as a launchpad for a new composition.

C. From DrumAliens: Base the songs on chapters from a well-known work of literature (The Canterbury Tales?)

D. From PowerUps: Or Moby Dick. Or just make some cakes.

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Amongst the ideas that I have heard elsewhere / discussed etc that I quite like today

The Prag Concept album

The 2 way blind remix swap (like me and the SSToBaS did for the last prag)

The forced collaboration (names drawn from hat HAVE to work together - however they see fit)

100% string free (no guitars allowed)

Il Sonido Nuevo (for your track each musician has to nominate an instrument to use as the main focus that they have NEVER played before)

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I'm a little bit wary of a purely collaborative PRAG, due to the potential for dropouts... if one person drops out, that means 2 songs don't get finished. If we did a totally collaborative PRAG it would be round about #5 or #6 and would only be open to people with a proven track record of delivering in previous PRAGs.

I have an idea for a 'blind collaboration' PRAG, but I'll keep schtum as it would be a bit radical this time around.

I quite like both DrumAliens ideas, but no matter what book you choose, you run the risk of excluding anyone who hasn't read it/ doesn't like it.

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thats very true. however - surely if we're talking Moby Dick and you havent read / dont like - you dont DESERVE the social interaction of PRAG? :wink:

some wag will, I am sure, come up with choosing a bookk that everyone has read... Da Vinci Code / Bridgit Jones Dairy concept album anyone?

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Maybe better to use random (or nominated) lines from literature in general to generate songtitles. Taking the most popular / common book runs the risk of us signing up to do a New Testament / Mr.Men prog concept album. And I would not like oversee a PRAG musical of "Harry Potter and The Trousers of Shit. "

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:lol:

I quite like the mr man suggestion.

what about an autuers concept. i.e. nominated a random allocation of (frinstance) Quentin Tarantino characters (Mr Pink, Nice Guy Eddie etc)... or for the cool cats Giallo's greatest murderers including Crazy Bitch from Deep Red, Crazy Bitch from Tenebrae and who could forget Crazy Bitch from The night Evelyn Came Out Of Her Grave?

Cinema's best monsters...

Greatest australian post apocalyptic heroes...

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Cinemas best monsters = great

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.Ah, now that might be more universally appealing. Instead of a title, everyone nominates a character from a movie (nothing too obscure, unless you're also willing to supply the film). These get assigned randomly and should form the launchpad for the song... either as a title or central character in an original lyric.

This could be good... songwriting in the 3rd person is quite difficult. Would it be too restrictive to have a rule that the lyric cannot contain 'I', 'me' or 'you'??.

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it could be about them in the form of story / prose, or by them in the first person, or inspired by them (Red - you'd have to umpire this to prevent anything too tenuous)

Also - on a seperate thread - can I suggest that we have a "get out of jail" card on spoken word / samples.

I was guilty of this before on Prag2 - but we were swamped on both prags with liften samples and spoken word Shatnerisms.

can we possibly have the rule that if you've thrown the sample / spoken word in on previous prags, you HAVE to do a proper vocal on subsequent prags. I feel that a blanket ban on spoken word / sample lifting as main body of song might be a bit off putting for newcomers / people that feel they really WANT a spoken word.

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I'll do vocals for anyone who

a) Needs vocals

b) Doesn't hate my voice

c) I don't hate.

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the "get out of jackbomb" free card.

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No one gets out for free.

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red_riviera wrote:

.Ah, now that might be more universally appealing. Instead of a title, everyone nominates a character from a movie (nothing too obscure, unless you're also willing to supply the film). These get assigned randomly and should form the launchpad for the song... either as a title or central character in an original lyric.

This could be good... songwriting in the 3rd person is quite difficult. Would it be too restrictive to have a rule that the lyric cannot contain 'I', 'me' or 'you'??.

i like this.

I don't like recording restrictions as this makes it more difficult to entry level people such as myself.

songwriting challenges are all good though.

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No, I'm with you on the vocal sample / spoken word thing... it is a bit of a cop-out. And I should know, because I'm in Distant Guns :-D. Unless there is a total outcry, I will probably not allow vocal samples / spoken word / pure instrumentals on this PRAG.

Like it or not, the most important part of a SONG is the vocal melody ... doesn't matter how good / bad your singing voice is. This is not something that should be dodged... having a crack at it as part of PRAG (or at least collaborating with someone who can sing / write melodies) WILL help you to improve as a songwriter.

It's good, innit? I sent it to Mr.Kipperbang... y'know, the cake doctor... but he said "Go fuck yourself"

Distant Guns - new track soon!

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*rubs hands*

yeah - tough as it is youre probably right.

even people like simon ball and me can employ the rare and esoteric vocal technique "la chanse de merde". I even fucking RAPPED on my first prag. WESTSSSSSIIIDDDEEE!!!

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At what point does rapping become spoken word?

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red_riviera wrote:

At what point does rapping become spoken word?

when Mezza does it.

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:lol: Witty repost!

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OK, that's the benchmark... I WILL allow rapping as long as it's better than Merryn.

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that thins the field down ALOT.

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Would it be possible to do this:

A CVS repository is created for audio projects.

Somebody starts a new project by adding one or more audio tracks to it. Say, a drum track, or themselves reading a poem, or whatever. (Uploading a click track would perhaps be seen as being lazy :) ). Other people use the freely available CVS software to download the tracks, and import them into whatever software they use. They then record (synthesise, whatever) new tracks to add to the developing piece of music. Or perhaps they copy a track, treat (in a Brian Eno sense) the copy. These get uploaded (automatically by CVS), so that other people can hear them. Add their own bits, create their own remixes etc. And so it grows. I think some other forums such as harmony central do things like this.

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That field is perfect for gay feet.

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red_riviera wrote:

At what point does rapping become spoken word?

Rapping IS spoken word!! No rapper has the right to criticise another's technique, no more than any Latin scholar has the right to critisize another's pronunciation of Latin (the reason being that Latin was a written, not a spoken, language, and that there are no recordings in existence of ancient Latin being recited).

But I digress. If you want evidence that any old shite can pass for rapping just listen to some Kanye West :)

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